Subject: Re: XXL
From: kitkat22@rcn.com
Date: Sun, December 23, 2007 19:25
To: p
Love the Christmas greeting, pit. If you really live in Brooklyn, you'll
get one from me snail mail. If not, I requested it be returned to me. But
wherever you are, I wish you all the best. And you know, I don't care what
body you're in. Bodies have their uses, but they aren't 'i, ii, iii'. Look
what happens when life goes out of them.
You got all 5 excerpts?
Can you put up scanned things? If so, let me know if you want anything.
I know you're there, but I wish the 'you' I know the way I know you here
could be there openly. Also wish you'd get over not wanting to have that
cup of coffee with me. Oh well, 'if wishes were horses, beggars would
ride'. Remember the dialogue we had about 'ugly', and you convinced me
there was nothing that couldn't be examined? Why isn't that so at BDO? And
then there was the time when you ---well
Forgot to mention. I asked Lee Nichol who William is. Lee had never heard
of him. He knows Pat and Tom, and DF, but not William. So who IS William,
really?
And what do you mean 'can't live dialogue'? Seems to me that one begins to
think in a dialogue way, and then to communicate with others that way, and
that creates new wirings, and actions come out of that. Only I see little
or no real dialogue at BDO.
Sleepy. G'nite.
On 12/23/07 5:02 PM, ß wrote:
>
>
> Ps:
> 5th excerpt = up on the wwwhirld n runnin (kee'p'iT comin)
> http://thinkg.net/david_bohm/self_society_proprioception.html
>
> Pss:
> interesting you cannot live dialogue, even while you are so all'most dying
> (to do'be "it")
>
> Psssssss:
> the i (ii too) will be 'back', well, ok (as ~y~o~u~ k'now _
> bood>booder>boodest): nevr gon nowhr
>
>
> ß
>
>
>
>
> yes, peter, it is ("getting") lovlie*, 's it not ;-)
>
> why talk with folks if you can talk about them so much
>
> and that, "better"
>
> haha ... just in time fuers fest der *liebe
>
> servus, pit
>
>
> * * *
>
>
> This little thread is becoming quite interesting.
>
> Reminds me of times and circumstances when all one needed to do was to
> point a finger at someone and "the system" would make them disappear.
>
> We're so good at disappearing or disparaging people, but the moment
> someone asks "what standards? what principles?", they themselves
> become suspect. (Pretty soon we'll all be wondering whether we
> ourselves are even whom we really are. Perhaps we are just acting and
> pretending to our assumed selves?)
>
> Did anyone notice how Suzy-Q was gone for 6 long months?!
> And then she returns, and within two weeks, Alan E. DeBakey appears.
> Coincidence? Aha! :-) :-)
>
> Funny how on this list, which values honesty and trust, some of us
> can't afford to be honest without pretend-ID's.
> And others can't feel secure without outings. Trust and discretion
> are deprecated by cyberstalking. ;-)
>
>
> I wonder how many find the following to be boring, and how many a
> treasure?:
>
> http://www.divineparadox.com/Essays/discussion_group_harmony.htm
>
> ~funny~ >peter renzland
>
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Subject: Re: humanature
From: kitkat22@rcn.com
Date: Sun, December 23, 2007 11:46
To: ß
Are you by any chance "Susan"? I recognize a certain quality there.
Not
to mention that she sent me an email at about the same time you were telling BD that
Irene was Kay (several months ago), on the same
subject.
It would be SO like you to assume 'leadership' as she seems to be
doing,
and laugh privately about how you were able to fool them. Then call it 'humanature'.
On 12/23/07 9:59 AM, ß wrote:
>> Ever hear "the more I see of people, the better I like my dog"?
Animals have 'natures' that people would do well to emulate. Since human brains are
>> more complex than theirs, can we infer that 'thought' is the
culprit?
Ha! There's another interpretation to the Garden of Eden story.
> phonirens,
> go'n'kis
> BuD
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Subject: Re: humanature
From: kitkat22@rcn.com
Date: Sun, December 23, 2007 13:43
To: ß
Can't you somehow ask some of those questions without disclosing who
you
are? It's really lonely being the only one who's asking anything. And
I
didn't think of the one below. You've said 'delete' to them a million times, and
it's made no dent.
If you are Susan, you're provoking the hell out of me, and I'm biting
back
comments that might give it all away, on the assumption that you are.
I'm
trying to sit back and watch 'human nature', rather than try to
'rescue'
the group, or fight my grandfather all over again. Hard, hard, hard! It's all a
big lump in my chest between my breasts.
Please help me understand why you periodically come out in a persona
that
blows everything to hell. I really want to be your friend, not tumble your psychic
structure. And I'd like you to be there with me.
Albert was my grandfather's name, and Alfred was his brother!
My eyes hurt. Got to rest them.
On 12/23/07 1:26 PM, ß wrote:
> Subvert, according to Webster:
> 1. To overthrow or destroy
> 2. To corrupt; to undermine
> When a student disrupts a class, doesn¹t the teacher/facilitator
have a
responsibility to the others to act to prevent the behavior that is undermining the
learning environment? One might argue that we could learn from our
annoyance/emotions triggered by the behavior, but that seems a lesson that doesn¹t
need to be labored. And I found myself
not
so much annoyed as bored.
> And, again, nobody.... not a single one, not 1
> asked the tough questions, the total no-brainers,
> at this BD zoo
> like:
> how can a peter, via emails, destroy dialogue
> who is forced to read his/her stuff??
> and, again, nobody goes deep, deeper, deep enoug
> to look at all those under-lying issues
> nothinkgs but hot air.... what a bunch of airheads
> laugh
> ß
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